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  • a_yaja
    07-21 02:58 PM
    I have come across quite a few of the Amway/ Quickstart folks. Like most of the people have described here, they usually approach me in Walmart, Meijer, etc. My first experience was in the temple. This dude and his wife went "oh wow! you know so many languages." After talking to the dude, he said that he knew some of my childhood friends and he remembered my face and that we could have possibly played cricket together in our childhood days (this itself should have raised red flags - but I was naive then and didn't think twice). Long story short, we exchanged phone #s and next day he called me and asked me to meet him at his home. He was running an "ecomm business" and was looking for partners. I asked him if he was talking about Amway and he innocently asked me "What is Amway?" I agreed to meet him but something bothered me. I called up another childhood friend who was in Amway and asked him about this dude. Sure enough he was an Amway-ite and already a "Diamond". I was mad and did not go to his house. He called me a couple of times but I never picked up the phone.

    That encounter was a bitter experience for me and I decided that I will not entertain any more desis who do cold contacts. However, soon I forgot all about him and I had 2 or 3 more such "cold" contacts (it took me about 3 more experiences to realize the Amyay "cold" contact pattern). I decided that enough was enough. From then on if a desi approached me in any of the stores and decided to do a "cold" contact, I would be on my guard. I would not become angry or irritated (after all they are humans too and they are just doing what they believe will give them a better life) - I would just steer the conversation to what I would like to do in my life. I would spin some yarn about how I am really happy volunteering to help kids in 1st and 2nd grade improve their English reading skills (which I really did) or how I liked taking part in the local community college's adult literacy program (helping adults prepare for GEDs, etc - again which is something I do). I would then go on and become philosophical about how these days everyone is after money and think about money all the time and how this is creating a very unhealthy state of mind, especially among Indians. I would make sure to tell the person that I would not like to go down that path and being a pious Hindu, my goal is to attain Moksha by leading a simple life.

    By this time if the dude has not run away from me, I will ask him what his objectives are. Usually they say that they can understand where I am coming from and congratulate me for all my community service (I am rolling all over the place in my head - but somehow keep a straight face). One guy even went so far as to tell me that he is on the other end of the spectrum and he gives away a lot of money in charity. He even told me that I should consider going that route as well. After the meeting, I call up my Amway friend and ask him if XYZ is in Amway and the answer has always been yes.
    Inspite of all this if the dude asks for my phone number (and this has happened once), I come up with the story that I forgot to bring my cell phone and proceed to give the person the phone # of the local pharmacy. I also suggest that he give a "missed call" (again rolled all over the place in my head when he gave a missed call) so that I can note down his # when I go home.
    I just had to get this off my chest when I saw the Amway thread. Hopefully others can also turn a potentially unpleasant situation into a pleasant situation and have fun at some other person's expense.





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  • unitednations
    02-13 03:03 PM
    I am not saying 7% is not applicable for recaptured numbers. EB3-ROW was current while EB3-IN,Ch retrogressed in 2005.

    Again 7% is not a quota or minimum or maximum. It is a guiding tool to avoid monopoly (not to prevent) for fist two months in a quarter and gave the remaining number to third month. It is not meant for reservation.

    As you said Bangaldeshies can not raise flag they as have not consumed 7% quota. Therefore one can not argue that Bangladesh-EB3 should be "current".

    At the end, first-come first served should prevails.


    The 7% is a maximum.

    They do not have to go to 7% if they don't want to. However; they can't go over it; if there is more demand then supply.





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  • nandakumar
    05-11 02:49 PM
    I completely agree with you.

    Few of the most trusted allies for India in the region are Tamils from Sri Lanka and Baluch people from Pakistan but this present UPA govt ditched both of them.

    As a Tamil, I too carry the Indian passport with shame and can't wait to see the day when I become a US citizen.

    I am watching this thread last 36 hours, this is not media to discuss political issues, we are here to educate/lobby so called law makers of this country for our immigration issues.

    STILL BEING TAMILIAN, I HAVE RIGHTS TO SAY MY THOUGHTS

    Tamils in SL is not Indian citizen but they migrated long back still have culture,family relation in India. Rajive got assassinated because he is trying to implement unpopular/unacceptable foreign policy in SL simply by trusting his popularity (he deserved for his mistake) One Sikh killed Indira but we accept another Sikh as our PM. It is Indian gov. lobbied efforts to ban LTTE by western country. they are well organized, disciplined and high tech group. some people raise another issue, they recruited young children to fight, we all are talking so called democartic India, still encouraging child labor every where in India. Srilanka Government boldy refusing all western country pressure, even United Nation (UN, this is pice of shit in the trash) unable to convience SL gov. because it is backed by Indian gov. or you may called Sonia gov.

    Bottom line is Sonia is taking revenge on Tamils by supporting SL gov., after all she is from the country that killed Jesus.

    We already denounced India, I am carrying Indian passport with shame.

    see the link below,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2McxGpfoUM0&feature=related





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  • PlainSpeak
    01-13 04:54 PM
    i'll not tell anyone that u'r gcperm.... ok?

    btw, no one is freaked out knowing that u'r gcperm..... i guess no one cares for u....
    Ahh my friend Ron if you are trying to get me to feel bad with your statement i guess no one cares for u.... then all i can say is Better Luck Next Time
    I dont care if anyone cares for me or not peronally or w.r.t. what i have stated in this forum.
    If people abuse that is their problem not mine. Sure i wil lfeel bad but it would be feeling bad for them not feel bad :P
    If people do not agree with me that is also ok since that is their right
    If people do not care for what i am saying that is also ok because the whle idea is that people on thsi forum start thinking about all options (Out of te box solutions)

    And seriopusly my friend if my intention was to convert or sway a whole bunch of people (Which i have no Intention of doing) within a day that would not be much of a challenge right ? because nothing comes for free (read that as without effort) in this country. I believe that is one of the slogans of IV. And guys i just borrowed it so dont hit on me saying i am now using IV slogans for myself

    Peace ...



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  • Rohan99
    07-22 12:24 PM
    dude, don't read too much.... it is a fun thread, Another way to scare Amway jokers.

    You will not believe that during Indian Independence day parade in Fremont Ca, these jokers were standing next to ticket counter and bothering everyone. I was not spared but I was polite to them because by nature I am not rude but annoyed lot.


    Dont you think you took it too far? I dont think you make much sense. There it is, since you asked for my opinion.





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  • okuzmin
    05-09 04:37 PM
    pmat, a word of caution and experience on FBI fingerprints/background checks.

    If you're submitting fingerprints for yourself and your spouse, make sure you have certified funds of $18 (I believe that's the correct amount, but I might be wrong) PER PERSON, i.e., $36 for two people. In the instructions they just say "$18 for the background check" and give you a form to list yourself and any other adults in your family. I had to call and confirm that it's $18 a person.

    They have a backlog of these background checks now; in the instructions it says the process takes up to 8 weeks, while nowadays it's up to 3 months and sometimes even longer.

    It might take about a year for the Canadian Consulate to process your first batch of documents. In my case, it took 11 months. Then they notified us that our interviews were waived. In the same letter they requested the following docs:


    updated letters of experience from my current employer;
    updated financial docs (tax returns, pay stubs, W2's, and bank funds confirmation);
    updated FBI certificates.


    It doesn't say anywhere in the instructions that your fingerprint cards are only good for 1 year. When I sent my "old" fingerprints (I had two sets of those made the first time we applied), FBI returned them unprocessed after 3 months and asked for the updated fingerprint cards. Then it took them another 2 months to process those.



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  • manderson
    02-12 12:09 PM
    pls read my post. I said EB3 ROW

    are you dreaming ... India EB3 is 01AUG01





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  • illusions
    05-11 04:34 PM
    Kodi,

    From the bottom of your heart can you tell the forum that there was no discrimination against Tamils in Sri Lanka after its independence from Great Britain.

    venetian, you could say that the Tamils in SL were just as a much discriminated in SL as the Muslims in India.

    There is no such Genocide happening in SL as some claim. As a matter of fact the LTTE ethnically cleansed the Muslims from the NE of the country in the 90's, yet the Muslims in SL didn't bare arms against the LTTE.

    Mind you the civil war in SL is against the LTTE, not the Tamils.



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  • PlainSpeak
    01-14 04:25 PM
    Sorry lady - enough of your billowing hot air - you have wasted enough people's time (including mine). If you have anything worth sharing you are free to do so - but I am not holding my breath for it.

    And of course, you can continue to be in your delusional world. You certainly have not demonstrated any credibility to be asking people to meet any "conditions" whatsoever.
    Wasted !! Wasted !! Wasted !! Wasted !! You #$%#$W!E@#%$%^
    Do you even know the meaning of wasted and blowing hot air. That is what you are doing and you cannot even be polite while doing it. Nooooooo you have to be abusive

    Delusional world !!!! !!!!!!
    I am wasting my time typing out replies only because @#@#$@#$@#$ like you have a keyboard and no sense respect abnd a bloated sense of self. Why the hell can you just not reply back and get a good night sleep.

    There is no need or requirement for me to demonstrated any credibility to people like you. Stand up and tell me of one nice thing (Just one) you have said in the whole post. Just one ????????
    You are not a person worth showing credibility to. Do something nice to people and ONLY then expect them to worry about their credibility with you.

    Now get off this post and stay off





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  • reddymjm
    09-26 01:37 PM
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  • sri1309
    09-25 06:56 PM
    The logic is that you are 'putting down roots' by buying a house. If all it takes is proof of closing a mortgage, one could always turn around and sell the house. somethng like that would undermine the credibility of IV in the medium/long run.

    I had initially advocated treating first time home buying as the same as marriage to an American citizen. In my opinion, that is a short,sweet,simple and sensible approach to follow that will also resonate/stick in lawmakers minds (rather than a long,rambling letter, no offense meant to the writers, it was quite well put together).

    Ghee agar seedhi ungli... I guess you can complete..





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  • swamy
    12-13 01:14 PM
    Here's the percentages of the top 10 populations of the world by nationality. How many of them are more than 7% ?

    China 20.0 %
    India 17.2 %
    United States 4.6 %
    Indonesia 3.4 %
    Brazil 2.8 %
    Pakistan 2.6 %
    Nigeria 2.5 %
    Russia 2.2 %
    Bangladesh 2.1 %
    Japan 2.0 %

    Based on this one can conclude that the 7% nationality rule is a veiled effort to limit Indian and Chinese immigrants specifically. Does this not amount to discrimination by nationality ? In addition we as legal immigrants are taxed without any representation. Taxation without representation was the reason the US was created in the first place.

    US history is full of examples where discrimination existed in one form or another and these discriminations were sucessfully challenged. A few examples are women's voting rights, minority voting rights and gerrymandering. These are good examples to study where the affected people had no legal voice to begin with.

    The civil rights movement is a recent example. There were existing laws that limited people from voting based on their literacy levels in the southern states. The literacy requirement for voting was really a thinly veiled attempt to limit voting rights of african americans for as long as possible. The civil rights movement was about changing these artificial laws to give voting rights to people who legally had no voice.
    http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/intro/intro_c.htm

    You don't need to be a lawyer to speak up for your hardships as a law abiding resident. This country has tremendous protections for people living here which is what makes it great. We as an immigrant community need to build our awareness of US history and government if we expect things to change.

    I kind of agree. Sometimes laws are just thinly veiled attempts to discriminate and at other times they just didn't foresee it becoming discriminatory. Given the it was written by Sen. Kennedy, I doubt it was a deliberate attempt to choke Indians or anyother national. It was just a poorly thought out & unnecessary restriction. Even the ceiling was just to appease fearmongers. Given people wont be offered jobs if there aren't any, wheres the need for a ceiling if existing labor laws on bidding down wages are enforced(which are by the way). For two years in a row, H1 quota wasn't used precisely because of that. & if H1 is the first step, theres an even stronger argument for doing away with EB quotas- but given the current environment obviously fearmongers rule (so we're the one 'acquiescing' Lou). I think we should make the case but as Mark pointed out its costly and not the best strategy for us.



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  • vdlrao
    07-24 09:20 PM
    The July 2008 Visa Bulletin has said Exactly the same, but in different words, what I have been saying for the past few months about the EB2-India and EB3-India Movements.

    EB2 India will move very fast till 01 JAN 06 as because based on June 2007 bulletin, just before the july fiasco,( http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3236.html ) the PD for China is 01 JAN 06. That means in EB2 Category except India and China every other country is current. So till India reaches 01 JAN 06 PD in EB2, all the spill overs will be moved to EB2 India,because the spill overs will be alloted based on the priority of old PD(Priority Date). By the time India EB2 reaches 01 JAN 06, China PD in EB2 will move further from 01 JAN 06 by using its 7% quota. So Inidia PD for EB2 again moves fast till that changed China PD using the spill overs. After that India and China will share the spill overs based on the PD priority. All this happens if and only if the USCIS works effectively and uses all the available visa numbers for the present fiscal year. My prediction for EB2 India PD is it touch 2005 /even cross few months in 2005 by the end of this year if USCIS works effectively.


    For all Eb3s along with EB2s with PD after April 2005, the movement in the coming visa bulletins wont be much encoraging unless the new Obama government does something significant about employent based category or immigrationvoice does a fruitful lobbying. The doings of something by obama government to employment based category is not in our hands. The only thing we could do is to help IV and help ourrselves by contributing to it to reach its financial target for better lobbying. Or else wait for the Visa Bulletin every month with great hopes, sorry dreams, for your PD to become current, and satisfy with your EADs for years ahead.


    Please find the earlier post about Eb2 India and EB3 India movement on Jun 10th 2008 and the comments of our members.
    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4285&highlight=vdlrao&page=102





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  • onemorecame
    06-26 04:53 PM
    I heard this group of people - from anti immigrant organizations, plan to intercept fedex trucks going into USCIS next month sort out 485 petitions and steal them and hide them in an undisclosed location.

    These people have only one aim in life. Not to allow 485 applications to reach USCIS.

    When USCIS does not recieve any 485 applications, they will retrogress. Then this group of people will stop stealing the petitions.
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  • chanduv23
    08-17 03:21 PM
    This should not be a silly topic and won't be...I want to take this opportunity to bring the bigger issue here... things happen for a reason... we all need to understand that we have to make a positive out of this issue... Atleast all educated folks like us should be able to channel our wisdom to those folks who feels that they are above all... That kind of mentality should need to change in INDIA for people like SRK and politicians and lot of business tycoons.... I believe this incident is very good opportunity, one more time, once again for all those conscious folks who live here US and INDIA to make things better for life.

    "snathan" do not disappoint when people disagree with you... I 100% concur with your thought process...


    "chanduv23"

    I like the way that you put things in a perspective called your own prism. I do agree lot of things that you say but you seem lack of very basic fundamental human touch...

    World is a BEAUTIFUL PLACE... Mother EARTH is an awesome place to live... do not fall into a trap those who morons used and twisted great peoples words and made this place worse for political gains/reasons. Please do not twist/turn the great one and only Einstein words and his context is different.

    My point here is "Respect should be given by that acts that you do in life...should not be given just by demand"

    All I am saying is that "IN INDIA WE GOT SOOOOOOO MANY PROBLEMS TO SOLVE" why SRK cribbing about this incident... and innocent/ignorant and un educated folks going crazy over there.... instead he can do lot of better things in INDIA so that he can be recognized all over the world and given respect.


    EDUCATION, EDUCATION AND EDUCATION is the only solution for all the problems in the world.

    Well - world is definitely a beautiful place. World is beautiful because of beautiful good people. Like there is a saying "How is house different from a home? House maybe be beatiful and big but it is a home ONLY if it is a happy place to live" and making the world our home lies in how we make sure that it is a happy place to live.

    While your approach towards solving the problems is "education" in my opinion education does help, but that is NOT the only factor. Change happens gradually. Don't we all agree that the most educated people might be the biggest "problem creators"


    WRT snathan - he is a personal friend and I know him. He is sympathetic towards poor and downtrodden and wants to fight against injustice etc.....

    To snathan - to understand things in a better perspective, I recommend that you try this. Invite 30 hungry, poor, starving people to your house and provide them with food, education, good life and ask them to seek opportunities to better themselves. You may face the following

    (1) People may get more demanding
    (2) They may fight among themselves
    (3) Some might steal from you
    (4) Some might get into unethical activities
    (5) Some might disrespect you and step over you
    (6) They may show more respect to those who did not care for them and curse you for some silly reason.

    You might find some good people who really do what you intend them to do.

    Why I say this is - there is no GOOD POOR MAN nor BAD RICH MAN - different people behave different in different circumstances.

    Did you know that India's independence struggle, American civil liberty struggle were all funded by rich businessmen - they trusted the leaders and gave a lot of money for campaigns for them to be successful.





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  • go_guy123
    08-17 12:22 PM
    Maybe Indians don't have balls, but there is something called cultural exchange which every country share with each another. Now if SRK decides that US immigration has mistreated him and he decides not to enter US, world is not going to fall down. Recently I heard that HOLLYWOOD wants to come BOLLYWOOD to make investments, maybe out of bussiness sense HOLLYWOOD should support SRK. Big B recently refused doctorate from Aussie university in support of Indian students mistreated in Australia. Maybe Indians don't have balls but they have brains.

    Yes, actually needs to go to US as well for shooting. The main reason is that
    Shahrukh khan takes the foreign distribution rights as compensation so that his
    foreign income is tax free and keeps his Indian income in rupees lower (taxable).

    One of the reason why he makes movies with storyline outside India and US being a big market he needs to go.
    So as protest like Amitabh he should change his compensation structure so that he doesn't need movies with story line in US etc. Will he do it ?I dont think so !!!!!



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  • swamy
    12-13 10:35 PM
    in a nutshell:

    an end to retrogression for all
    increased GC quota
    it does remain though, one of our goals in the package because we believe it is fundamentally unfair and should not be apart of a skilled immigration program.

    why is this so hard for ppl to understand!





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  • mirage
    03-27 03:17 PM
    If you forget all that Communal/Secular mudslinging for a little bit, here's an unbiased opinion about the performance of the UPA govt.

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Comments--Analysis/Fall-of-the-holy-trinity-MMS-PC-Montek/articleshow/4316378.cms?curpg=1





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  • samay
    07-14 06:59 AM
    Dear Sir/Madam

    Thank you for helping us.

    Scenario:
    If one is working with company A on H1 and Company B applies a future employment GC for the person. The Person received EAD/AP for the 485 which is pending from 1 year through company B. Also have a valid and stamped H1 for 3 years from company A.

    Now in this case:

    1) Is there a Law or Need to Join company B since EAD has been issued?

    2) Can one stick with company A even after getting EAD till he gets GC? In that case is AC21 required to remain with Company A?

    3) Can one Join new Company X and use AC21?

    I really appriciate your community service, thanks in advance!

    1. No since the Green card is for a future job.
    2.Yes since you have a valid H-1B and you do not need to invoke the AC21.
    3. Yes.





    sanju
    09-23 12:06 PM
    Current homeowners who are waiting for their GC MUST also be exempted from cap. This clause has to be there. Without having any gurantee of getting GC these folks have invested their savings in buying home even when the prices were high, WHY because they had real intent of making US their permanent home. So these people should too be exempted from EB cap.

    Senator DSLStart,

    At the end of your post, you forgot to say - 'I yield back the balance of my time'. What do you think this is, Senate floor, where you are proposing amendments? Laws are never drafted exactly what people tell lawmakers. The objective here is to gather attention to GC issues when they are considering proposals/ideas to resolve housing/credit crisis. Do you actually believe that this language/proposal will go as it is without any change, without anyone discussing it? In the ideal world, if you live near a Walgreens, you first create a perfect idea/proposal before sending it, and, in the real world you send out a good proposal/idea so that we do not miss the bus. Why make "the perfect" enemy of "the good". Let’s first get the word out that this is a possible viable suggestion, I am sure before deciding, they will make sure not to be unfair towards you. Turn over to MSNBC.com live and see that they are having an urgent hearing on this right now. They will decide something in next 2-3 days. Lets not argue about who has the "real" intent to make US as a permanent home. Kindly let the Senators propose amendments, and not cause delay in sending out the message, otherwise everyone will miss the bus.

    Disclosure: For the record, I own a house.





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