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satyasaich
12-13 02:10 PM
Well, interesting topic and here are my 2 cents.
i just googled for a minute, for the definition of "Equal Employment Opportunity" by Federal Government and the result is as below
Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) :A term used by the federal government to refer to employment practices that ensure nondiscrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, color, national origin, physical or mental ability, medical condition, ancestry, or age.
The principle behind EEO is that everyone should have the same access to opportunities
AND Ethnic References are American Indians, Asians (Pakistani/East Indian: Persons having origins in any of the original
peoples of the Indian sub-continent), Black, Hispanic, Caucasian
The above definition itself speaks very loudly about access to opportunities, which if restricted due to another federal law or provision, then it is clearly a conflict within Constitution.
Consider a person with some skill set and born in Bangladesh or Pakistan working for Employer A
&
another person with exact skill set born in India working for same employer in the same capacity.
Assume that both have started the GC Process on the same day, but person from India is still waiting even after 5 or 7 years.
Where as the other person got the GC and no restrictions to accept a promotion and an increase in salary,based on the same skill set and experience.
Isn't that scenario defers the principle behind EEO which is everyone should have the same access to opportunities
and hence voilation of law?
There are thousands of glaring examples like these, and i'm wondering how this can not be considered as a good ground for challenging
(I do undersand the cost aspects of challenging and legal fees etc; and the hefty amount of funds needed)
by the way, i tried to find a federal government rationale for per country limit in current system (only from the EB Category perspective), but couldn't get a good answer
Satya
India / EB3/Nov2003/
--Any country's immigration policy has to have some control measures built into it. I cannot imagine any country opening its gates wide open for the entire world to migrate into her without any limitations. So the question is, whom to "restrict" and whom to allow? This leads to the same argument, do you see this "restriction" as discrimination? There are others who see as fair "reservation" for them.
there is no "reservation", the nature of the clause is a cap, it does not give another country a minimum quota, it is written as a restrictive provision. and again- just because it benefits someone else does not make discrimination "right", in the strictest sense. right and wrong when it comes to discrimination are not relative. and if you believe they are, it's mighty slippery slope my friend because it does not take time to find yourself on the other side.
--Good question. If we look at what qualifies a country to be included in the lottery program (oversubscription etc?), it would again lead to the "balancing" intent with regards to immigration.
so why the double dipping? if the balancing is done, why the country quota? the result is that as i said more bangladeshis come in than indians...so what does over subscription mean in the end? again...why the need for the diversity lottery? the country quota already balances things....or not?
"either it's wrong or right. the caste system is wrong, from every side of the fence. it may benefit some and hurt others. but it's wrong, wrong and wrong.
same for this country quota. sure it helps some, and looks good from "their side of the fence". that does not change the fact that it is wrong."
--You are opining that it is wrong. You cannot state that it is a fact
you sound suspiciously supportive of the caste system. i will say it again. such a system is wrong. i do not care which side of the fence you are on. was depriving blacks from voting wrong? or was it ok from the white side of the fence? please think before you post.
there is a difference between "something benefiting me so i justify it and fight to keep it" and being right or fair. everyone fights to keep what they have. sorry, still not right. and if you still feel the caste system can be justified as right from your (or any) side of the fence then let's stop here, we have no common ground. and i speak as someone with sufficiently "high caste" to have not suffered from it (so you know my side of the fence).
one last thing, i find it hard to believe you are terming as "right" the idea that I as an individual should be held back 10 years longer than my colleague because of where i was born. any way i look at it...sorry...just not right.
i just googled for a minute, for the definition of "Equal Employment Opportunity" by Federal Government and the result is as below
Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) :A term used by the federal government to refer to employment practices that ensure nondiscrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, color, national origin, physical or mental ability, medical condition, ancestry, or age.
The principle behind EEO is that everyone should have the same access to opportunities
AND Ethnic References are American Indians, Asians (Pakistani/East Indian: Persons having origins in any of the original
peoples of the Indian sub-continent), Black, Hispanic, Caucasian
The above definition itself speaks very loudly about access to opportunities, which if restricted due to another federal law or provision, then it is clearly a conflict within Constitution.
Consider a person with some skill set and born in Bangladesh or Pakistan working for Employer A
&
another person with exact skill set born in India working for same employer in the same capacity.
Assume that both have started the GC Process on the same day, but person from India is still waiting even after 5 or 7 years.
Where as the other person got the GC and no restrictions to accept a promotion and an increase in salary,based on the same skill set and experience.
Isn't that scenario defers the principle behind EEO which is everyone should have the same access to opportunities
and hence voilation of law?
There are thousands of glaring examples like these, and i'm wondering how this can not be considered as a good ground for challenging
(I do undersand the cost aspects of challenging and legal fees etc; and the hefty amount of funds needed)
by the way, i tried to find a federal government rationale for per country limit in current system (only from the EB Category perspective), but couldn't get a good answer
Satya
India / EB3/Nov2003/
--Any country's immigration policy has to have some control measures built into it. I cannot imagine any country opening its gates wide open for the entire world to migrate into her without any limitations. So the question is, whom to "restrict" and whom to allow? This leads to the same argument, do you see this "restriction" as discrimination? There are others who see as fair "reservation" for them.
there is no "reservation", the nature of the clause is a cap, it does not give another country a minimum quota, it is written as a restrictive provision. and again- just because it benefits someone else does not make discrimination "right", in the strictest sense. right and wrong when it comes to discrimination are not relative. and if you believe they are, it's mighty slippery slope my friend because it does not take time to find yourself on the other side.
--Good question. If we look at what qualifies a country to be included in the lottery program (oversubscription etc?), it would again lead to the "balancing" intent with regards to immigration.
so why the double dipping? if the balancing is done, why the country quota? the result is that as i said more bangladeshis come in than indians...so what does over subscription mean in the end? again...why the need for the diversity lottery? the country quota already balances things....or not?
"either it's wrong or right. the caste system is wrong, from every side of the fence. it may benefit some and hurt others. but it's wrong, wrong and wrong.
same for this country quota. sure it helps some, and looks good from "their side of the fence". that does not change the fact that it is wrong."
--You are opining that it is wrong. You cannot state that it is a fact
you sound suspiciously supportive of the caste system. i will say it again. such a system is wrong. i do not care which side of the fence you are on. was depriving blacks from voting wrong? or was it ok from the white side of the fence? please think before you post.
there is a difference between "something benefiting me so i justify it and fight to keep it" and being right or fair. everyone fights to keep what they have. sorry, still not right. and if you still feel the caste system can be justified as right from your (or any) side of the fence then let's stop here, we have no common ground. and i speak as someone with sufficiently "high caste" to have not suffered from it (so you know my side of the fence).
one last thing, i find it hard to believe you are terming as "right" the idea that I as an individual should be held back 10 years longer than my colleague because of where i was born. any way i look at it...sorry...just not right.
redcard
05-29 01:14 PM
"This is due, in part, to huge increases in the usage of EB4 and EB5 categories"
Something funky in this ,, where are all these religious workers on EB4 coming in US and where do they work� I think this is another fraud. Seems like folks have started using this category now to get people from India.. and EB5 where is the money to invest in this market.. Seems like another fraud happening.. or software engineers now coming to US to Religious workers..
Something funky in this ,, where are all these religious workers on EB4 coming in US and where do they work� I think this is another fraud. Seems like folks have started using this category now to get people from India.. and EB5 where is the money to invest in this market.. Seems like another fraud happening.. or software engineers now coming to US to Religious workers..
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at0474
12-14 05:34 PM
The difference between your idea and mine is your thinking is still stuck in the 16th century. He is Indian, he is Chinese, he is Mexican etc, while I see everyone as human beings. There lies the difference.
--Oh homo sapien!! What was my idea again? Where did you get 'my idea vs your idea' from? I did not propose that country cap be enforced.
EB Immigration is just 12% of all immigrants. How can it affect diversity of the country? With all the country quotas in place,
--What if 10% a year from one country continues for few years...
US is becoming hispanisized with Hispanics slated to become 25% of the population ! So much for the much touted 'diversity' !
--There are several factors influencing high hispanic population in this country. I am not sure what the link is here?? If the system is failing to ensure diversity, let us do away with it completely...
--Oh homo sapien!! What was my idea again? Where did you get 'my idea vs your idea' from? I did not propose that country cap be enforced.
EB Immigration is just 12% of all immigrants. How can it affect diversity of the country? With all the country quotas in place,
--What if 10% a year from one country continues for few years...
US is becoming hispanisized with Hispanics slated to become 25% of the population ! So much for the much touted 'diversity' !
--There are several factors influencing high hispanic population in this country. I am not sure what the link is here?? If the system is failing to ensure diversity, let us do away with it completely...
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walking_dude
02-13 02:21 PM
To set matters right - all 3 of them will require a change in law. IV is trying to recapture ( pont 2) through Admin fixes, but its not certain. It needs an Exceutive Order from Pres. Bush to happen. Its not 100% certain at this stage that such an EO will be issued.
Again, there are no guarantees which of the 3 will get passed or accepted. 1 & 2 benefit you more than 3. Will be combined effect of those be more than enough to offset 3 (which I doubt will ever happen since that will require a change in law) is up to anyone's imagination.
....
Again, there are no guarantees which of the 3 will get passed or accepted. 1 & 2 benefit you more than 3. Will be combined effect of those be more than enough to offset 3 (which I doubt will ever happen since that will require a change in law) is up to anyone's imagination.
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akred
06-27 11:19 PM
Christ is god's son! He does not need a Green Card or any other color card :D So what is the point of making it 0?:p
First, prove there is a god.
Is there a birth certificate somewhere? Was it registered timely and does it have the First Name and Last Name for mother father and son?
First, prove there is a god.
Is there a birth certificate somewhere? Was it registered timely and does it have the First Name and Last Name for mother father and son?
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santb1975
02-13 03:06 PM
I support having ongoing discussions with USCIS and having an amicable relationship with them. We should work hard to make the letter campaign successful. We have 30000 members but less than 2000 letters so far. While some volunteers are working tirelessly to make the letter campaign successful some do not want to take part in it at all because the Template's we have out there are asking for their Name, Address and Telephone Number. it is not a joke to mail out a letter to the president on which the signature of the person is not comprehendable and there is no Full Name, Adress and Telephone number. I spent hours last weekend answering people's questions about letter campaign but all I get in return is recommendations on what else I can do. There were no letters after all that. I totally support Walking_Dude on this.
Raising 30K in 7 days was possible. it was made possible by 300 members. I still remember having a conversation with a gentleman at a mela (US Citizen and a white american) who said funds should not be a problem for you guys. You have 25,000 members and you all make good money. On any day you can all contribute 10$ and raise 250k. I wish. That will be my dream come true. I am one of those volunteers who worked very tirelessly to make 30k happen in 7 days. it is fun to be an active IV volunteer. I know a few people in our Local Chapter who spend their money for local chapter activities in addition to their monthly contributions. We have less than 10 members in our chapter who do that. I can totally understand when they tell me sometimes that have been spending a lot of their own money and taking the lead this for an year and half and are getting burned and want to take a step back now since we do not have new people stepping forward to help. Atleast they promised to take part in action items for sure.
I apologize for my venting today
Raising 30K in 7 days was possible. it was made possible by 300 members. I still remember having a conversation with a gentleman at a mela (US Citizen and a white american) who said funds should not be a problem for you guys. You have 25,000 members and you all make good money. On any day you can all contribute 10$ and raise 250k. I wish. That will be my dream come true. I am one of those volunteers who worked very tirelessly to make 30k happen in 7 days. it is fun to be an active IV volunteer. I know a few people in our Local Chapter who spend their money for local chapter activities in addition to their monthly contributions. We have less than 10 members in our chapter who do that. I can totally understand when they tell me sometimes that have been spending a lot of their own money and taking the lead this for an year and half and are getting burned and want to take a step back now since we do not have new people stepping forward to help. Atleast they promised to take part in action items for sure.
I apologize for my venting today
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hopefulgc
02-14 03:12 PM
I don;t have the necessary permissions to modify the poll. I have made a note of this so that moderators can ad it in.
Sorry.. i am just going through very busy days at work.
I am trying .. please don't hate me :)
hopefulgc - also make the commitments clear! Its not just sufficient to support ( as in moral support) the cause. Its important to participate in it.
I think someone should change the Poll question to -
Q) Do you commit to participate in a class action lawsuit against USCIS?
1) Yes. I am willing to commit $500
2) Yes. I'm willing to be a plaintiff ( full name and full contact info required)
3) Yes. I'm willing to commit $500 and become a plaintiff as well
4) No. I don't think it will work
It will make it clear to everyone voting 'Yes' what's expected of them.
Sorry.. i am just going through very busy days at work.
I am trying .. please don't hate me :)
hopefulgc - also make the commitments clear! Its not just sufficient to support ( as in moral support) the cause. Its important to participate in it.
I think someone should change the Poll question to -
Q) Do you commit to participate in a class action lawsuit against USCIS?
1) Yes. I am willing to commit $500
2) Yes. I'm willing to be a plaintiff ( full name and full contact info required)
3) Yes. I'm willing to commit $500 and become a plaintiff as well
4) No. I don't think it will work
It will make it clear to everyone voting 'Yes' what's expected of them.
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grupak
02-15 07:28 PM
as always.
actually india and china are in teh top 5 receipents of F1 visas, and far ahead of most countries
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY06AnnualReportTableXVII.pdf
now folks. STOP.
you are making me sick.
Thanks for the data, I had a feeling some countries were using F1 more than others. Good to have the facts straight.
This discussion is really not going anywhere. Lets stick with IV agenda and action items.
actually india and china are in teh top 5 receipents of F1 visas, and far ahead of most countries
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY06AnnualReportTableXVII.pdf
now folks. STOP.
you are making me sick.
Thanks for the data, I had a feeling some countries were using F1 more than others. Good to have the facts straight.
This discussion is really not going anywhere. Lets stick with IV agenda and action items.
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Imigrait
06-16 04:53 PM
For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future. Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies. I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky".
Of course everyone who have worse qualifications(according to who??-> dilipcr ) are ordinary. Rest of the people are good. This is the same argument as "now that I have GC, let me come out and say retrogressions and less GCs are good, cuz I am qualified and I already have GC."
And yes I agree EB based GC is built by merit. Merit according to the employer who will keep paying the employee if the employee performs his job at least satisfactorily. Dilipcr is not the adjudicator here, the market aka the employer is. And...... the employer is making sure it is following the regulations prescribed by USCIS.
Cant believe I am using that word !!!.
What's not to believe? You just did!
In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
People don't view any statement that you're from a top college as egoistic. Ppl view it as egoistic when after 15-20 years out of college you still throw around your college name to make other people treat you differently. Dude, after 20 years people from various colleges are working with you, some doing a worse job than you and some better, colleges don't matter any more for the current job. It might have some influence in a new job.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
Why are you calling outsourcing companies scum? So do you call the companies that manufacture in China as scum too? I know tonnes of engineers from Infosys, TCS, Wipro and others who work for Google,Msft,Apple,Amazon etc etc. So now that these people have bathed in Ganga(google etc etc) their scum is washed off?
"the speed of market" -The outsourcing companies are part of the market. Yes the salaries have gone down, but that's according to the speed of the market, not due to some participants outside the market.
"committing pervasive fraud" - No US or foreign company will keep a company if the value proposition dosen't work for them. For Building a webpage or multi tiered web applications we don't need a rocket scientist. Hence, the market is paying what is deserved. Would you be able to keep a job if you don't perform in the US? Then why will an outsourcing company be treated differently?
Ok it seems lots of other people are also responding so I'll stop here. :D
Of course everyone who have worse qualifications(according to who??-> dilipcr ) are ordinary. Rest of the people are good. This is the same argument as "now that I have GC, let me come out and say retrogressions and less GCs are good, cuz I am qualified and I already have GC."
And yes I agree EB based GC is built by merit. Merit according to the employer who will keep paying the employee if the employee performs his job at least satisfactorily. Dilipcr is not the adjudicator here, the market aka the employer is. And...... the employer is making sure it is following the regulations prescribed by USCIS.
Cant believe I am using that word !!!.
What's not to believe? You just did!
In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
People don't view any statement that you're from a top college as egoistic. Ppl view it as egoistic when after 15-20 years out of college you still throw around your college name to make other people treat you differently. Dude, after 20 years people from various colleges are working with you, some doing a worse job than you and some better, colleges don't matter any more for the current job. It might have some influence in a new job.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
Why are you calling outsourcing companies scum? So do you call the companies that manufacture in China as scum too? I know tonnes of engineers from Infosys, TCS, Wipro and others who work for Google,Msft,Apple,Amazon etc etc. So now that these people have bathed in Ganga(google etc etc) their scum is washed off?
"the speed of market" -The outsourcing companies are part of the market. Yes the salaries have gone down, but that's according to the speed of the market, not due to some participants outside the market.
"committing pervasive fraud" - No US or foreign company will keep a company if the value proposition dosen't work for them. For Building a webpage or multi tiered web applications we don't need a rocket scientist. Hence, the market is paying what is deserved. Would you be able to keep a job if you don't perform in the US? Then why will an outsourcing company be treated differently?
Ok it seems lots of other people are also responding so I'll stop here. :D
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ita
03-30 05:14 PM
Govt is never one man effort/show.It is a team effort. Just like software projects are.For sure it will not be one man show with BJP.We have NDA's rule for example.While we are that NDA had allies in it too.
Those used to congress style of rule mistakenly think it is one man show.
So you want to think it will be LK alone that will be delivering the output and not his team.Ok that's fine. I and others tried to show you what/when MMS brought reforms .But still you are saying
Yes...only that puupet brought those changes and reforms.
Now going by your track record how do I assume you will accept LK even if I showed his track record.I have shared so much so far ,it may not be a big issue for me to share things that I know about Team Advani and Advani himself. But how do I make sure I'm not going back to where I was few posts earlier with you ? :)
I dont have any issues for Mr. Advani, but please show me some track record as he was part of the ruling party for five years.
Those used to congress style of rule mistakenly think it is one man show.
So you want to think it will be LK alone that will be delivering the output and not his team.Ok that's fine. I and others tried to show you what/when MMS brought reforms .But still you are saying
Yes...only that puupet brought those changes and reforms.
Now going by your track record how do I assume you will accept LK even if I showed his track record.I have shared so much so far ,it may not be a big issue for me to share things that I know about Team Advani and Advani himself. But how do I make sure I'm not going back to where I was few posts earlier with you ? :)
I dont have any issues for Mr. Advani, but please show me some track record as he was part of the ruling party for five years.
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akred
02-15 07:26 PM
My point is that the immigration laws of the United States were racist until the 1952 INA act. They specifically placed quotas on people based on the color of their skin. Today's restrictions, while bizarre, unreasonable and unfair in many ways, cannot be defined as racist.
Sure it is. Check the UN definition.
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/d_icerd.htm
...any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
Sure it is. Check the UN definition.
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/d_icerd.htm
...any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
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05-11 04:49 PM
Mind you the civil war in SL is against the LTTE, not the Tamils.
Correct! And it is not even a "Civil War". It is really a war ti erradicate terrorism from Sri Lankan soil. The term Civil War refers to a war between people in a country. The SL government is not waging a war against it's Tamil citizens but against a terrorist group.
Correct! And it is not even a "Civil War". It is really a war ti erradicate terrorism from Sri Lankan soil. The term Civil War refers to a war between people in a country. The SL government is not waging a war against it's Tamil citizens but against a terrorist group.
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I agree with alterego.
There is another compelling argument against taking the lawsuit way, even if assuming there is a case to be made, and we have plenty of money. (The first is unclear, the second is a firm no, but let us assume anyway for the sake or argument)
One of the reasons why Roe v Wade, 34 years on, is still a controversial decision today is the fact that the US is probably unique in the world in the sense that a constitutionality argument was used to decide public policy.
In Europe, as in other parts of the world, abortion was considered as a health issue, and handled via legislation and health care guidelines.
But because it was a constitutionality issue in US, and enforced from the bench, a significant portion of the populace felt left out of the decision making process, which stimulated a simmering opposition and entrenched the main actors of the "culture wars", which persist to this day.
There is significant debate even among liberals whether Roe V Wade has helped or harmed the liberal cause, and if knowing what we know, there could have been another approach to achieve the same end.
In a nutshell, approaching the courts is a double edged sword. There may be some strategic gains in the short term, but the long term impact is unclear and unpredictable. A legislative approach might be slower and incremental, but it is less risky.
Think of lobbying as polite negotiation.
Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.
This is exactly correct. It is not the question of right or wrong here. That is what gets folks so upset on this thread, they feel since their viewpoint s right then.......... Most neutral observers like mbartosik can see this as unjust and there may be many in the US as well, however certainly not the majority. However, there are many ways in which this could backfire. One example is the recently seen debate over illegal immigration and the turn in public sentiment. Truth be told, if someone did something wrong 12 yrs ago(crossed the fence), now is married to a US citizen and has 3 US children, what do you do with them? What about the 3yr old who was brought to the USA by their parents and knows no other system? Perhaps a few years ago joe public would have given them a pass, no more, the debate has become so nasty that positions have been hardened to the point that reason does not prevail. Another reason has something to do with the perceived sense of entitlement Americans sensed in the illegal immigrant community(of course fanned by Lou Dobbs and his ilk). These are complex issues and generally you will get a lot further appealing to someones sense of fairness than explaining how you are entitled to something and will take it from them if it is not given to you.
There is another compelling argument against taking the lawsuit way, even if assuming there is a case to be made, and we have plenty of money. (The first is unclear, the second is a firm no, but let us assume anyway for the sake or argument)
One of the reasons why Roe v Wade, 34 years on, is still a controversial decision today is the fact that the US is probably unique in the world in the sense that a constitutionality argument was used to decide public policy.
In Europe, as in other parts of the world, abortion was considered as a health issue, and handled via legislation and health care guidelines.
But because it was a constitutionality issue in US, and enforced from the bench, a significant portion of the populace felt left out of the decision making process, which stimulated a simmering opposition and entrenched the main actors of the "culture wars", which persist to this day.
There is significant debate even among liberals whether Roe V Wade has helped or harmed the liberal cause, and if knowing what we know, there could have been another approach to achieve the same end.
In a nutshell, approaching the courts is a double edged sword. There may be some strategic gains in the short term, but the long term impact is unclear and unpredictable. A legislative approach might be slower and incremental, but it is less risky.
Think of lobbying as polite negotiation.
Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.
This is exactly correct. It is not the question of right or wrong here. That is what gets folks so upset on this thread, they feel since their viewpoint s right then.......... Most neutral observers like mbartosik can see this as unjust and there may be many in the US as well, however certainly not the majority. However, there are many ways in which this could backfire. One example is the recently seen debate over illegal immigration and the turn in public sentiment. Truth be told, if someone did something wrong 12 yrs ago(crossed the fence), now is married to a US citizen and has 3 US children, what do you do with them? What about the 3yr old who was brought to the USA by their parents and knows no other system? Perhaps a few years ago joe public would have given them a pass, no more, the debate has become so nasty that positions have been hardened to the point that reason does not prevail. Another reason has something to do with the perceived sense of entitlement Americans sensed in the illegal immigrant community(of course fanned by Lou Dobbs and his ilk). These are complex issues and generally you will get a lot further appealing to someones sense of fairness than explaining how you are entitled to something and will take it from them if it is not given to you.
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snthampi
07-30 06:53 PM
Ohh the moral police (shiv sena etc) are out, chill out dude what is decent to you is not necessarily indecent to another man and and vice versa. You enjoy the same thing if Salman Khan does it in his movie, right? Don't be a Bore for real get my drift? Or were you the Amway gut I met?
Ignore that idiot man. There are some morons who think what they believe is right.
Ignore that idiot man. There are some morons who think what they believe is right.
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potatoeater
03-31 11:40 PM
Chhota Shakeel planned to kill Varun Gandhi
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Chhota-Shakeel-planned-to-kill-Varun-Gandhi/articleshow/4341949.cms
Chhota Shakeel makes his entry into grand indian election mela :)
What else is coming.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Chhota-Shakeel-planned-to-kill-Varun-Gandhi/articleshow/4341949.cms
Chhota Shakeel makes his entry into grand indian election mela :)
What else is coming.
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santa123
07-25 01:34 PM
A question about the FB spillover: according to your data, there are about 30000 FB visa spillover from last year. But does USCIS have to use up all of them? If the answer is yes, then the September VB will very likely be current. If the USCIS only need to use up the 147000 EB and use whatever portion of the FB spillover, then September VB may not move.
Though I appreciate all the analysis and the hardwork by several folks here to get to the numbers, I am thinking that we should not get carried away and set high expectations for ourselves and others. Your confidence levels are very high, but remember there are some assumptions in the calculations and we are dealing with govt agencies... just wanted all EB2s to hope for the best and prepare for the best...
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Though I appreciate all the analysis and the hardwork by several folks here to get to the numbers, I am thinking that we should not get carried away and set high expectations for ourselves and others. Your confidence levels are very high, but remember there are some assumptions in the calculations and we are dealing with govt agencies... just wanted all EB2s to hope for the best and prepare for the best...
;)
smuggymba
07-27 11:33 AM
What has EB5 to do with amway?
Did I mention I'm making millions? Obviously on the way, but atleast I have something to fall back to if I loose my job. Do you?
As someone else mentioned on this forum, it is illegal to earn while on H1-B from sources other than your employer.
Did I mention I'm making millions? Obviously on the way, but atleast I have something to fall back to if I loose my job. Do you?
As someone else mentioned on this forum, it is illegal to earn while on H1-B from sources other than your employer.
newtoearth
05-02 05:35 PM
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